BARBECUED BAPTIST TOASTIES - by Herb Evans
BARBECUED BAPTIST TOASTIES
By Herb Evans
http://heresies.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/Faust-1.html
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Make no mistake about it, Joey Faust is out to obviate, void, and steal the precious promises that the Lord gives to His people. Faust has absolutely no scripture to get believers into the Lake of Fire or Hell, much less to get them out of either. The modus operandi of Faust is to use imaginative parabolic teaching, allegorical comments, obscure O.T. passages, Gospel exchanges (in which it is not always easy to know who is meant unless you have a false teaching you want to prove), innuendo, inference, suggestion, intimidating pontification, and almost every "Lose Your Salvationist" proof text of the Arminians to attempt to convince his readers of his heresy.
Born-again believers are to be counted already dead, and their lives are HID with Christ, having certain unconditional promises of grace and mercy. Yet, it is clear that Joey Faust insists that the Lord’s promises of mercy and grace to believers do NOT EXTEND to the JSOC. Yet Christ PROMISES NEVER to leave any born-again believer nor to forsake any born-again believer nor to cast any believer out or into hell or into the lake of fire. God promises that those for whom Christ died are NOT appointed to WRATH. These are COMFORT PROMISES for Christians and their dead loved ones. It is not a message of Faust gloom, doom, and uncertainty. We are told to SORROW NOT. As for living believers and their loved ones (who have passed on) being cast into the lake of fire or hell, NO believers are going to be CAST anywhere. Christ, who is with us alway, PROMISES that He will lose NOTHING to HELL nor to the LAKE OF FIRE. He PROMISES us NEVER to leave nor forsake us, and we shall NEVER PERISH (John 10:28), so that saved believers can appear with Him and live TOGETHER with him in GLORY.
The Believer’s UNCONDITIONAL STATUS not only NEUTRALIZES Joey Faust and his warnings but makes him a liar in the name of Panton, Govett, and anyone else that he uses to spin his yarn. Born-again believers at the JSOC have everlasting life and are IN CHRIST. They will NEVER DIE again. They will be presented WITHOUT SPOT and WITHOUT WRINKLE and WITHOUT BLEMISH and FAULTLESS, for GOD IS ABLE to PRESENT them as such. They will be uncondemned believers, if they are IN CHRIST Jesus. They shall NEVER PERISH (John 10:28), and they shall NEVER DIE (John 11:26). God is again found to be true and Faust a liar, for Faust teaches that carnal Christians will be slain and burned at the JSOC in heaven. Still there are no carnal Christians at the JSOC, only blood bought, blood washed, pure, faultless, uncondemned, spotless, blameless, blessed, holy, NON dying believers. Believers’ souls will be without sin at the judgment seat of Christ. Their sins —past, present, and future—are forgiven and are paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Joey, like a Jehovah’s Witness, messes with “eternal life,” using the above circular argument in order to make his false doctrine work. Although he claims to be a King James Bible Believer, he likes to mess with the Greek to gainsay the plain English concerning “eternal,” “everlasting,“ “never,” and “ever.” Joey is like some Calvinists, who search for any place in which “all” does not mean “all” and “every” does not mean “every.” Faust likewise searches for places in which “eternal” does not mean “eternal,” “never” does not mean “never,” and so forth, so that his NON continuous eternal life can cease at the JSOC, where Faust has God killing and burning the carnal Christian after He “raises” him to heaven.
Joey Faust thinks that all of the saved N.T. saints will be “RAISED” (split rapturist language for the carnal raptured) but that the carnal ones will not be glorified nor have immortal, incorruptible, NEW bodies, for the Lord’s FIERY breath must kill and burn them at the JSOC and put them in the lake of fire (to satisfy Faust’s insatiable, sadistic desire for believers to suffer, die, and burn). Again, let God be true and Joey Faust a liar, for ALL believers will have IMMORTAL bodies and souls; all will have incorruptible bodies and souls. They will not die; they cannot die. All believers will have NEW glorified bodies. There are NO mortal bodies at the JSOC. All believers are HOLY SPIRIT RAISED from the dead and are promised that their MORTAL bodies will be HOLY SPIRIT QUICKENED (Rom. 8:11). The Holy Spirit dwells in them and gives all of them immortal bodies. Joey, the apostle of uncertainty, does not nor cannot have that confidence, believing this false doctrine (as he does). Faust cannot even be sure that he will not burn in his Baptist Purgatory nor be shut out of the millennial kingdom. Let God be true and Faust a LIAR in his doctrine by interpolation, innuendo, and inference!
In the first place, chastisement and punishment are two different things. Chastisement is corrective and punishment is punitive. What kind of correction is needed after one’s life is over? Fathers are supposed to chastise their children unto correction but NOT to punish them (Pro. 3:11,12). Our heavenly Father chastises His adopted, saved children on this earth, but He does not punish them. Yet, He has indeed punished the UNSAVED and His enemies. More important is the one, who wields the Rod of Chastisement—always the Father. Yet it is our elder brother, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge Christians at the judgment seat of Christ, and that judgment is going to be to reward his brothers not to punish them nor even to chastise them. It will be to destroy their works that were NOT done for HIM by burning these bad or worthless or wrong works, causing the believer to suffer loss.
The worst thing that can happen at the JSOC is for the believer to receive worthless rewards and then have them burned up, after he is allowed to present his case by giving a truthful stewardship account of his works. Still, one may say that he must receive something for the bad. What does that mean? The lake of fire? Death? Who says so? Joey Faust? The word “bad” has a number of different connotations (“Failing to meet an acceptable standard”—Webster New Collegiate), including “worthless” in both English and the Greek (see Strong’s here). So what bad things does a Christian receive at the JSOC? What Mr. Faust implies or suggests or pontificates? Or is the explanation within the JSOC passages themselves? Of course, it is in the latter. What is received for the Faust over-emphasized “BAD” things done in the body? Wood, hay, and stubble are received and subsequently burned up! Now, that was not hard . . . , was it? No Greek is even needed. Gold, silver, and precious stones withstand the fire and ABIDE (as do the believers).
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if ANY man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; EVERY man's WORK shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try EVERY MAN’S WORK of what sort it is. If ANY man's WORK abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If ANY man's WORK shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet SO AS BY FIRE. -- 1 Cor. 3:10-15
We have heard a doleful sound, FIRE saves, FIRE saves! A similar song is such that WATER SAVES. The first song is Catholic, and the second is Campbellite. WORKS are tried BY FIRE—not Christians. The foundation is Christ by virtue of what He did for us. JESUS SAVES! Subsequent believers’ works are built on the Christ foundation for rewards. The passage declares that no man can lay that foundation, NOT EVEN Joey Faust, although that is what he is trying to do. What we build on CHRIST are reward works. Cannot Joey see that “WORK” is mentioned FOUR TIMES in that verse? What is it that Joey does not understand about our works being tried and about what was taken care of at the foundation—Christ? What is it that Joey does not understand about our works being burned and not our bodies nor us? What is it that Joey does not understand about us suffering LOSS and NOT punishment? What does Joey not understand about those judged at the JSOC being SAVED, even as the fornicating Corinthian, whose SPIRIT would have been SAVED at the JSOC or day of the Lord Jesus (or day of Christ as it is also called), while his flesh would have had to be chastised and destroyed ON EARTH (if he would not have repented)? Still, it is the utmost arrogance to suggest that some folks will not have ANY gold, silver, nor precious stones, while others have ALL wood, hay, and stubble, since Faust’s formula allows no mixture.
The worthless wood, hay, and stubble must need be for the WORTHLESS works not done for Christ. Works, apart from the Spirit, are works that are still covered by the blood, regarding punishment, but these same worthless works are recompensed with wood, hay, and stubble and are ultimately burned up, causing the believer loss. Still, the gold, silver, and precious stones are indeed that which is done in and through the Spirit for Christ and abide through the fire, summed up in the poem: “Only one life will soon be past; Only what is done for Christ will last.”
The other things that will happen at the JSOC beside the LOSS of rewards and folks not getting a FULL reward is the shame, embarrassment, self deprecation, and steward’s account, which will then take place. Still, these are things that do not come from God but come from within the man at the judgment. Yet exposure of the hidden things of darkness is by God’s illuminating fire at the JSOC and is initiated by God. Nevertheless, EVERY MAN at the JSOC will have PRAISE of God for something—some gold, silver, or precious stone rewards. It will not be as Joey Faust teaches, namely, one totally bad group of wood, hay, stubble versus another totally good group of gold, silver, and precious stones. Joey’s account of the lake of fire and hell being THE negative reward is contrary to the direct biblical passages pertaining to the JSOC. The negative wood, hay, and stubble are burned up and disappear, being much more consistent with a believer’s “LOSS” than Joey’s SPIN on believers being punished in hell.
Joey Faust weaves an intricate scheme of allegorical and suggestive interpretation, which would attempt to bind his readers to the caprice of his interpolations, inferences, innuendo, and suggestive pontification, typical of this “OVERCOMERS’ CULT” and of a false teacher, guilty of hard core heresy, who challenges the very core of Independent, Fundamental Baptist, salvation teaching. Faust totally contradicts the “promises” of God, which he ignores, avoids, obviates, and tries to steal from the believer.
Faust’s take on Revelation 2:11 is that the lake of fire commences for the carnal Christian following the JSOC, and the non overcomer or carnal Christian, who has not repented nor confessed their carnality, unfaithfulness, nor sins before death, will be hurt of the second death or lake of fire. Since to know to do good and doing it not is sin, every Christian must go there BY IMPLICATION. Unless, of course, Joey stops mimicking Roman Catholics and Arminians and begins to tell us, “How much unconfessed sin will get us thrown into the lake of fire?” and “How much faithfulness and suffering will keep us out of his Baptist Purgatory? (Not typical of such apostles of uncertainty, who do not even know if they are going to be in hell or not.)
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